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How to Write a Resume Tutorial. Skip to main content. Main Menu Utility Menu Search. Attend resume and cover letter webinars. HES holds responsibility in this area. I would propose that Harvard Extension initiate some sort of distinction to set them apart from a non-degree HES student who wishes to simply take a class e.
Ask the employee about the designation and we the interviewee should be proud and not ashamed to clarify. With all that is said and done, HES is one of 13 schools of Harvard University, so technically we should not be bashful about using Harvard University so long as we have also make clear that it was through Extension Studies.
And again, there should be no shame. Harvard University taps into every representative group on planet earth to diversify their student population and to create leaders for each of their respective representative groups. That is the Harvard way. Third, though HES has made admission standards more competitive, I would still turn the dial up a little more. I find it harder and harder to see the distinction between the education be it traditional or extension. Simple, the latter has shown they can complete a course of study, are working to better themselves and have decided to take on a great amount of additional responsibility.
Everyone wants to be the Cheerleader, Quarterback, Class President etc. How many want to work at XXXX to learn teamwork, public relations, and other life skills to help carve a path? That is an excellent point. This makes no sense to me. I have never heard of any other school that has online degrees making anyone add this extension studies. Either you graduated from that school or you did not.
Preach Christine! I feel Harvard University should put a end to it and fully accept students who attend all of their schools and stop nick picking. I still have not completely decided to attend HES because of these issues. I am thinking in the end I will most likely attend a school in my state — Johns Hopkins University and be done with it period — end of story. Even if you had got through it on scholarship. HES is one of the 13 Harvard University schools.
There was no way for me to know if a student studies at the College, the Business School, etc. In fact, most of the exceptional work came from non traditional students. Right, but that could just be because of the shifting requirements on listing the degree.
In addition, my degree and major are clearly and factually stated. John: As long as you are clearly stating the name of the school, the degree, and the concentration, there is nothing misleading. I am an Associate Degree Physician Assistant. That being said, I would be proud to have on my resume Harvard Extension School. Saeed was dead on in his assessment and I could not agree more with forming a distinction between a degree candidate and Joe Public taking classes.
If you have to live in this discussion for the rest of your life after graduation, then why bother go to Harvard in the first place? Just take your degree from Berkeley, or Georgia Tech, and move on with life focusing on the education and getting things done. That gives a hint that there are a few losers that end up in Harvard College because of their parents money.
Just an opinion. Plenty of working adults need another option. And the ALM is apparently percent according to the Wiki site. It could even be seen as almost a contrived point given the admissions data you reference. Would you rather not get in? Because that is your other option. There certainly is a double-standard…and for good reason. Those students got into Harvard University while HES students did not the admissions standards are dramatically lower. A major part of being a Harvard student is being surrounded by other students with.
Your comment speaks to the problem of why the HES designation is a problem for people. It illustrates a profound narrowness of experience, point of view and an ignorance of the HES population. You make broad generalizations about what HES students lack in comparison to Harvard College students. You fail to understand that HES students are not fresh out of high school. Sometimes it is an issue of the economy changing, therefore additional education or completing interrupted education is necessary.
The only option for those who would have attended as a freshman, had circumstances been a bit different, is HES and programs like it. Those of us with great scores, great grades, no financial issues, legacy positions, and whatever else…who had circumstances happen.. Remarque, I am in total agreement with you.
More motivated, harder working, and well educated. Grit, determination, and intelligence. The extension school is significantly more selective in admission and graduation than Harvard College. You are not distinguishing between all of the people that take classes, and those that graduate with degrees. The degree holders are a very small minority of the class takers. Not get in is your only other option? Tell that to the Harvard College graduates and other elite universities that are in some of my ALM classes.
No one cares what their SAT scores were at that point. SAT scores are important to high school seniors, but quickly become irrelevant as we enter the real world—academically or professionally. And the admissions rate to HES is much lower than at a number of other Harvard graduate programs.
Why take this so seriously?? Let them use it. No one cares. If you smart, it shows. We only live once. For the ALM or graduate degree, I agree that it becomes a bit more important to include the Extension School when listing it. But even so — it is pretty obvious that most extension school graduates work full time and would earn their degree on a part time basis after work which means it is pretty clear that they attended the Extension School.
But again, it is a personal choice of each graduate how they want to list it, whether they feel it is misleading, and if that is a chance they want to take with a potential employer. I think the constant debate and pettiness over how it is listed on resumes or on LinkedIn is silly. Ian Lamont is wrong. Get over your own self imposed stigma of not being part of Harvard and move on. Thanks for all of the information.
I am interested in attending HES for concentration in English. I had a questions regarding your thesis. Without the interruptions, how long was it for your thesis? I was thinking I would be able to finish it in a semester but it sounds like it may be longer. Can you start your thesis combined with your last class or do you have to wait for all of them to be completed?
Renea: Thanks for your message. My thesis in History took more than 2 years to complete — I estimate more than 1, hours was spent on research, writing, revisions, etc. Note that my thesis was very labor-intensive owing to the huge amount of data I had to gather for my computer assisted content analysis, so I suppose some people spend less time on their theses if they are using traditional methods of research. A thesis is not a long research paper — it really is much more structured.
I would also suggest you ping the Extension Student online forum and ask other English concentrators how long it took to write, review, and complete their theses. Are you misrepresenting your degree? I am sure you will not see this debate out there. Matter of fact, you will not see a debate at any of the 12 parts of Harvard as well. HES graduates work incredibly hard and earn legitimate degrees, and a VERY small percentage of Extension students actually graduate with a degree.
What you should worry about is adding enough value to yourself to the point as to draw traffic on Linkedin or the attention of any hiring manager. All they care is can you keep operations running? Can you generate revenue? Can you save their jobs? So, key is think more about the value you can add to yourself or any environment. Try taking EXPO 25 and tell me about it. The bar is high bt not the quality. Bottom line, you graduated from Harvard lets say with an ALB concentration business management.
The typical HES student has to not only work full time but also finds time to study and comple assignmnts. If someone had to verify your credentials, they would have to contact the same registrar to verify award. There is no seperate registrar for HES.
I went to Extension at the same time friends of mine went to Harvard College. The biggest difference? I got professors at Extension. They got TAs. To them it sounds like a GED course. Explaining an ALB is a struggle too. But I always list Extension Studies on there and I make sure to explain exactly the situation in every interview. In Boston I guess people get picky about Extension vs.
I wish they would just settle on something. Son of a bitch! For the love of God, will someone just pick something and stick with it? Thanks Taffygirl. I updated the post with the new official guidelines. Except that Harvard does not agree with your opinion. Their situation is even more precarious given some snobby comments made about schools out here like Univ.
HES does not offer the same education either. An HES concentration is not a formal major with structured lower and upper division courses that build up the education. I also highly doubt that tenured professors at Harvard are teaching HES classes. HES does have Requirements and places requirements for those seeking admission.
You hired someone and then decided to check out their credentials? The jokes on you buddy. If you did do the hiring, you would check before you hire. John, are you insinuating that an educational institution should be ashamed of conferring a degree on an individual that later became a President of the United States? Also, shall we compare G. Why is that? Additionally, your grammar and punctuation are appalling.
Are you out to prove she lied on her resume? They replace the requirement with first three courses, B or better. GRE would have been easier. I also had to supply references, transcripts, essays, etc. As for tenured professors, they taught my theory classes, but classes such as mobile programming were taught by well-educated industry experts. Termination would be automatic at some firms. Others might let it slide.
I have blogged about this topic in Harvard Extension faculty and the Harvard Instructor requirement. Seems the policy of automatic termination regardless of the nature of the misrepresentation is the easy way out. After all, no one is expelled from public school for cheating on one exam. What is the problem? At the end of the day, it is still a high quality Harvard University degree.
Better check it out before putting down your own school. It is not egregiously necessary to ever list Extension School or even Extension Studies on a resume…two legal experts have informed me on this seperately, both of them from Harvard Law School. This is not deceiving! Since HU grants the degrees not Extension. ALM and ALB are representative of the actual conferred reality of the academically constituted degrees.
In fear that the lower cost factor might irritate higher Harvard tuition payers, Harvard University offered clout-compensation. This was seen as tantamount to taking an expensive book which has been reduced in price and tearing the upper right hand cover corner to devaluate it a bit so as not to cause resentment by previous full price purchasers….
The faculty and the course descriptions and syllabi are in most all instances completely identical across the board in Extension and FAS. I also have an ALM in Anthropology from Harvard University — all of the classes I took were taught by a Harvard professors and my advisor was David Stuart, one of the foremost Maya epigraphers in the world.
My thesis was a rigorous process that I supplemented with fieldwork in Belize. I am currently taking a literature class via HES. I have more comments. Why would Harvard establish and promote an embarrassing and inferior program and put its own name to it? I took the Critical Reading and Writing Comprehension test and passed it. There was nothing simple about that test.
The test does not determine admission; it determines where you can start. From there, a potential student has to take three classes and get a B or higher to be considered for admission. To pass the placement test and then accomplish a B or higher in your classes is proof enough as to whether a person will be able to cut the mustard at Harvard. They make you prove yourself, and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can do it. Let me say up front that I am neither a Harvard grad nor an HES grad, but have been involved in the hiring process of recent graduates.
The years of preparation and excellence that went into a Harvard undergrad getting accepted and then getting through. People often want to talk about Harvard kids getting accepted based on privilege. This is a caricature. These are kids that have been paying their dues since 7th or 8th grade—learning languages, participating in athletics, plugging away at calculus while most kids are playing video games.
Employers have the right to know the difference between those who have fared well in rigorous classes Harvard College and HES grads , and those who have demonstrated a particular mindset necessary to break into a very competitive system Harvard College students who have won acceptance over a broad set of their peers vs.
HES students. You make an interesting point here. Your comments however, strike at the heart of why some HES folks get nervous about the distinction you make. Many HES students were on track to apply to Harvard straight out of high school, but had to work instead. Some spent years being critically ill. Not only did they have to overcome the hardship, they also had to find the courage to go back to school, and do it while working and maybe having a family.
I know the discipline a 13 year old has to have to do homework every night while playing a sport and being in an after school club, at an elite college prep program. I was such a 13 year old. But that level of discipline pales in comparison to what it takes an adult with much less energy, no parents to ground us, and life already having dealt us some bad cards that we have to cope with. Comparing mature, experienced adult learners who have already been through college prep programs, with inexperienced teenagers who come from from supportive backgrounds, with absolutely no responsibilities other than what they can do for themselves, and loads of energy, is comparing apples and oranges.
Ok maybe that does happen. But a person also has to pass every class in order to stay. And what you are doing in your comments is kind of the same thing. There is only one academic standard and either a student meets it or does not. My academic journey includes skipping from first grade to fifth. It also includes a break I took as the result of PTSD following a violent crime that happened to me in my late teens.
I dont know who you are but I love you. I went to a community college. Eventually got my Masters but… whatever. My education is for me. My benefit. You have earned your pride. You may have a point. The hard part was already done years prior to receiving the coveted Harvard College acceptance letter. You also imply, and somewhat backup the above saying, that kids are playing the game that is elite higher education. If I had to guess, I would say that since they are trying to start a new program in unexplored territory they probably want to use the prestige of the programs they already have established to lend credit to the newer ones.
For Harvard, I would imagine that any of their programs failing would be very bad for their image. If Harvard is willing to put their name on these extension graduates who are you to object? Regardless of what any of us think, if Harvard tells the students they can present their degrees that way then the students are in no way being dishonest. If you want to point a finger at somebody which is totally ridiculous by the way then point it at Harvard.
I came across this thread while looking at a GSAS program at the advise of my masters supervisor and am frankly appalled. If Harvard University awards the degree, then that person graduated from Harvard University. To claim otherwise goes beyond ridiculous and into offensive -both on the part of graduates and the university itself which puts its name on the diploma. It is true nevertheless that people who lie about the program they have completed are hurting the integrity of other HES students.
Unfortunately there are bad people everywhere, and not only at HES. But there is a whole difference between lying about the program you have completed and telling others that you attended Harvard University. I want to precise that I am very proud to study at Harvard Extension School, and I think their management program is incredible.
I have no shame at all doing this, as I think it is a huge privilege we have to be able to study in such an incredible school as Harvard. Otherwise, it is not the students that are misrepresenting what they do, but the school that is misrepresenting what it actually offers: Students pay a very high price to pursue this program, and so it is their rights to benefit from it.
Students from Harvard Business School or Harvard College are not better human being than ones from Harvard Extension School should, and HES students should not feel obliged to constantly demean themselves in case someone could think they attended the college or the business school. We are ALL Harvard students.
Above all I think that the Harvard Community should be very proud of its Extension School program, because the reasons that led to the creation of this program are very noble. If besides this, the Harvard Community is ashamed to consider HES students as Harvard University students, then they should shut off this program. Last but not least, when you say that you have a Master of Liberal Arts from Harvard University, and people understand that you are doing an MBA at Harvard Business School, I am not sure you are the one committing a mistake there!
If they have a doubt they can check it up, as it is kind of their job to do so. Finally, I think that your blog is actually doing more harm to Harvard extension school students, as it is well referenced in google, than anything else because when employers search for Harvard Extension School on internet, they find your blog, and they end up thinking that Harvard Extension School students are liars.
So I guess you probably did that blog to make you feel better about yourself, but by doing so you are actually the one who is hurting the most the HES community. Thanks for your long reply. As I said at the bottom of my post, Extension School degrees represent serious study and graduates should be proud of their accomplishment.
I think that your blog is actually doing more harm to Harvard extension school students, as it is well referenced in google, than anything else because when employers search for Harvard Extension School on internet, they find your blog, and they end up thinking that Harvard Extension School students are liars. Most of which take anywhere from 1week to 2 years to complete.
Ilamon: Harvard University is not Harvard College. I see that we however have a strong disagrement. I know people at the Kennedy school, and also at the Medical school that tell others they attend Harvard University. There is no obligation to mention the exact school you are doing, which makes sense because beyond Cambridge, not so many people know that there are so many schools at Harvard.
Secondly, I want to say that from the beginning, in the classes I have been attending to, my teachers always refered to us as Harvard University students, and always aknowledge that we were actually pursuing an Harvard Degree, and many of them are Harvard College or Harvard Business School teachers. Because according to the highest authorities at Harvard, they are. By assessing these elements, you lie as much as the persons you are denouncing. The students that are misrepresenting their degree or who say that they attended HBS are liars.
Be sure they will have to pay the price one day or another. But it is not your call to condamn them on this blog. Most of the HES students I have met are very honest people, that had a very unusual journey in life. They see HES as a way to become better and to the the best for the community. You should be ashamed of what you say and the way you present this community to others. You are actually as bad as the persons you try to denounce by doing so. Also, I understand why some HES students might be ashamed to say that they have attended HES, when I see how people like you or other Harvard students talk about this program.
So the responsibility is on both sides. Because when you have the privilege to study at Harvard, you have the duty to become a leader for the good of others. And when you are a leader, you know that you do good with others, not against them. The ones who are should not be at Harvard. Finally, we all know how so many students get into Harvard — with private tutors to do the SAT or the GMAT, with professors helping them to complete their application, and I am not even mentioning the ones who are the sons or the daughters of some people with influence, money, or power.
HES has been conceived to democratize high education to the people who do not have access to it otherwise. HES is the pride of Harvard, not the other way around. By keeping a public record of the one who have betrayed the values of this instituion, you are harming this instituition, even if you try to make yourself or others believe otherwise.
Would you keep a record of people that have done bad things or who have criminal records and who have attended HLS, HBS or other schools at Harvard? No, of course not. Once again, by pretending to give justive on this blog, it is a way to discriminate some by giving them another treatment. So not only what you say is false, it is a lie, and by doing what you do, you are not better than the one you denounce.
You should delete that blog, because believe me, it is doing more harm than good to everybody, even you. Unfortunately, it will be hard to be embraced by the rest of the Harvard community as long as we are treated as second-class citizens by the University administration for instance, matriculated Extension School students are the only students who are not allowed to cross-register and students and graduates continue to deliberately misrepresent their degrees. I understand why some HES students might be ashamed to say that they have attended HES, when I see how people like you or other Harvard students talk about this program.
I publicly and proudly list my Extension School affiliation on this blog, Harvard Extended , and on LinkedIn, and have done so for the past 10 years. Do you realize that you went to Harvard University even if your school was the Extension School? Are they misrepresenting their degrees? Are you a Harvard University graduate from the Extension School? If yes, then be proud to mention that you graduated from Harvard University!!!
You sincerely need to know who you are and be proud of it. Why care about ignorant HR? Very few of them even know that Harvard University has many equal school. Again, Harvard University is a big umbrella made of 13 schools, one of which is the Extension School. You talk about the Extension School graduates who are giving a bad name to their school, and you are more that right to do so, but I wish you could also talk about those Harvard College or Harvard Business School who participated in bringing the U.
S financial system to its knees because of their greed just few years ago. Write a blog about them too, if you can. Stop your nonsense and accept who you are, if you really graduated from Harvard Extension. If you get a moment please have a look at a reply that I posted today 29 Feb to the Remy duBois blog, which appears at the very top of the wall here. Heres one more point: The money! The cost of a traditional 4 year Harvard College AB costs what in ?
Is it worth it? Not in my opinion. No way. Harvard must be mired in student debt. But given that the majority of HC students need financial aid from the University with the tuition, room and board costs in and also noting as we are all fully awate: that there is NO University sponsored financial aid for HES students, we all either pay the freight ourselves or get our own bank loans ….. Add the distance learning tuition, …. It would be interesting to see a survey of responses from ALB and ALM alumni who have gone on to incredibly successful careers Psychologist from Princeton would qualify, but we also have fellow alumni teaching at Carnegie Mellon, Emmanuel, Berkley, as well as acceptances at Harvard Medical and Law, Yale, Stanford, apparently Princeton too.
ILamont is saying two things primarily: 1. Dishonesty is not ok. Thomas and others are saying these two things: 1. Here is where ilamont will comment disagreement admissions committees, and selective companies DO care! There IS validity to this claim, so:. We must make a professional judgement as to whether the person with whom we are speaking DOES care about the difference in competitive admissions.
Said another way: Competitive Achievement: Less Important. Academic Achievement: More Important. Hell no. If I had received a M. I more heavily weigh when a discussion of school-difference is appropriate vs. I hear you went to Harvard recently, what was that like!? In other words, to this type of comment, I would never reply with an explanation of College vs. How did you do that!? I got into the evening school, which really lets anyone in who wants to attempt it, AND can meet the entrance requirements.
More people get into that one, but it also has the lowest percentage of graduates. And actually, yes, I did get one of my degrees from Harvard. My doctorate degree and second masters will be from X which has really provided me a good clinical grounding. However my masters at Harvard was incredibly research intensive and I think provided me with a more rigorous research experience than even my dissertation will.
I should also note that if at ANY point someone seems interested to talk about Harvard University admissions, or Harvard Extension I will gladly and very proudly explain what HES is, and why it is in my mind, the most valuable school of the I have tried to convince numerous people to attempt a degree at HES. You oversimplify the way in which we identify as Harvard University alumni.
I know this has become a novel, but the HR person who commented above sadly suggested her fear that HES alums do not have access to the same world-renowned professors that the other 12 schools have. I wanted to share this:. I studied creativity from Shelly Carson, an expert in this area. I took Anxiety Disorders from Richard McNally, any Psychologists knows this name and he is still a rockstar leading research, currently with a focus on PTSD, but earlier with a focus on phobias.
Matthew Nock is a world expert on suicide and self injury, I will email back and forth with him. If someone puts ALB from Harvard it can easily be checked by googling that and it will take you only to the extension site as ALB is only awarded there.. Completely different letters..
Too many distute of understanding these days, yikes. Extension Studies is a standard industry term in continuing education. At some point in time, it was decided that only one college on campus may offer a particular type of degree i. Graduate School of Arts and Sciences , only one the M. Harvard Business School , only one, the M.
Harvard Graduate School of Education , etc. So the verbiage is truly a weird formality. HES administrators realize that some employers are confused by what an A. More on the HES history that brought us to this point as well as their rigor in other posts….
As a student in Harvard Extension school.. Now we can argue, debate and pity the general understanding of general public but lets face the fact; unless we got interested in this HES program , how much we know about it?
You can do more harm to yourself by trying to hide word Extension than do any good.. And we should know whats general perception is. And I think it is also time to be little honest. Lets not fool anyone. Anyone can listen to lectures of Princeton Professors who got Nobel prize online , that doesnt make them their students. And I say this knowing , fully well , that HES is no easy task …its difficult , requires hard work and commitment but I will still be honest that requirements for HBS are even more and most didnt make it and so doing this.
There is nothing to be ashamed of about it. As a footnote this debate feels like something of Identity crisis of some HES student, they want to be recognized as IVY league but knows inside they arnt so have an inferior complex. I see the degree does say it but wondering about the transcript? How does that read? Do all the colleges at Harvard list the college name on the transcript? If you get schooling at Harvard University extension college you have yo mentioned extension on your resume.
The degree has value as a normal traditional way in getting the degree on a full time basis. The school allows a non traditional way in gettting a harvard degree. There is a public misconception or prejudice to a non traditional way. This is a hoot. I left a high quality university early and headed into executive land before most people graduated and never finished my under grad degree. For me, Harvard and my degree title is what will be used. Good question about the transcript.
Does it mention anything about the extension school or just the university? Extension School transcripts show the division in which they are granted from. Lastly, when your degree is recorded on the transcript, it shows that it is specifically awarded by the Harvard Extension School with the full title of the degree.
If it were up to me, I would give higher recognition to graduates of the extension school because it is a known face that online school is considered more strenuous than on campus. I hold a job that many Harvard graduates will aspire for but in reality, the Harvard degree will only be an upper hand to getting into the door, hard work and dedication what is expected of a Harvard grad is what makes executives of the world. Thank you and hold your head up high.
I doubt they would have a shortened masters for the extension school! One last point, if an on campus student chooses to take one of their classes online, they will be taking the same extension course as you are. Columbia University has a School of Extended Education.
Columbia is Columbia. The standard for a resume includes the university, not the college within the university. Just go to Johns Hopkins University. They offer online, part-time master degree programs. You can get a M. And while these degrees are offered thru the Engineering for Professionals division, your transcript and degree do not distinguish your degree from the traditional degree programs. My son if finishing up his Associates degree at a regionally accredited college.
He has completed most of his general eds this way. He is now interested in HES to complete his Bachelors. He is an actor and would like to concentrate in Drama. Hello, I think HES is a fine option to continue undergraduate studies, especially if the courses are being taken on-campus — it allows for direct interaction with faculty, including many Harvard faculty who do not teach online courses.
Browsing the drama offerings in the course catalogue, I see that several of the instructors are part of the Harvard faculty or instructor corps, which I think is a wonderful opportunity for your son. Whether you got your degree from hard University or a bubble gum machine, what matters is how well you perform in the cooperate the world. The former CEO from best buy had a high school diploma, but manager to raise to the top. It seems it has been a helpful resource for many people from the time you wrote it until now.
The allure of a Harvard education is tantalizing but all of the drama surrounding the stigma makes me wonder if the ASU program is just as solid of an option with less travel headaches as well. What are your thoughts? The Harvard Extension School stigma matters most to people who are concerned about the name of the school on their resumes.
What should be most important to a prospective student is the quality of the education. I heard this from my thesis advisor a Harvard FAS professor , and experienced it when I successfully gained entrance to a competitive graduate business program a few years after earning my ALM.
The stigma becomes a problem in certain employment circles, especially when people misrepresent themselves and their exaggerations are uncovered. This is not likely to happen in an educational setting, not only because official transcripts contain the full name of the school, but also because the Extension School is a known entity in higher education circles.
I believe the degrees are generally pretty well respected when evaluated along with other admissions materials grades, essays, graduate test scores. The distance ed offerings at Harvard Extension School fare well on some criteria hybrid experience but poorly on others cohort, faculty responsiveness to online students.
As I have said on other blog posts, the course offerings in a few areas are superb and involve real Harvard faculty, but in other fields there are few courses and many faculty are from other universities. There is no concentration in Philosophy at HES.
They believe it is too difficult to complete all requirements unless they have set up the degree in advance…etc. It really is a great option. I want to be clear to you and anyone else reading this that you cannot complete any degree within HES undergraduate or graduate completely online.
In classroom learning is something HES refuses to compromise on. Though proposed by various administrators throughout the years due to the continuing demand for online education, HES honors the idea that there is an in-classroom experience that is necessary to provide a truly rigorous, complete degree. I respect that, too. And, frankly, it gives the degree more clout.
This will be fine for graduate admissions offices for a PhD program who will be more interested in your performance in a humanities field than they will be concerned with your total coursework in Philosophy particularly. I state it as a preference for you. Interesting article and comments. Is there no objective way to evaluate the HES curriculum and its graduates?
Relying on personal opinions only reflects the biases of either Harvard College students or HES students, both who have some ground to protect. Can we measure, for example, how many HES undergrads end up at traditional graduate programs at competitive universities, or how many HES grad students end up at medical or law schools or other professional programs? Are there other ways to begin a process of evaluation.
Possibly against other continuing education programs? I think the best way to position HES is that it is open to almost anyone, but to get to the finish line is difficult, and requires commitment and dedication—all things I see at true. Much like a special forces selection course in the military: anyone can try, based on certain initial standards.
Many less complete selection. Seems Harvard takes a very cautious approach when attempting to describe the program. The Harvard College degree is an intensive, highly selective, four-year residential learning experience. I think employers understand that the people who come and do the undergraduate program at the Extension School are older … They come back to do that degree because they discovered later in life they have high intellectual capacity, and they desire to get ahead.
And I think employers are very clear on what that is as opposed to a Harvard College degree. These comments make me feel less confident that the dean of the school thinks that HES has much value in the real world. Either his lukewarm opinions are based in reality, or they are not. If these opinions do not give enough credit to the value of the degree, I think it makes sense to find ways to add objective value to both the degree and the curricula and faculty behind it.
And after a gazillion years with a Dean that was merely a figurehead with no operational value and a fear of progressing with the times, this is exactly what DCE needs. Like when he suggested that we make the masters degrees completely online, DCE administrators were foursquare against it and stood by the mission that there must be a residential component to all degrees to honor the complete learning experience, elite pedagogy, and, well, to legitimate them.
This is what that means:. Harvard Extension School does not make faculty appointments. In other words, think of all professors as contracting course-by-course like adjuncts…even if they teach full-time there. They certainly track their graduate students the same way that other graduate programs do. They can give you percentages on candidates who make it through the program and alumni who go on to X field.
So the instructors you get through the HES Management program can be sub-par. It could be a mixed bag. My question is: Do you see the school continuing to diverge from the HI requirement, not only in the professional degrees but also in the liberal arts degrees? What does that mean for Extension School if so many students never step foot virtual or otherwise in a classroom with a Harvard faculty member at the helm? I have another question, relating to online education. This is obviously an area of great concern for hard-working students who want a Harvard experience, and also an issue for Dean Lambert who seems focused on pushing online education as much as possible over traditional in-class education.
Is the best students can hope for a faculty member who responds to email, or a TF who cares? Are there distance education technologies used by HES that can make a difference? Those who are critics of the HES program need to go do some research. I think this alone will straighten things out. Here is my interpretation of the facts based on my own research. I hope it will help enlighten others out there. This is something nobody in this blog seems to be taking into account.
The tuition is much lower and the courses are accessible to common people from any age or background. Candidacy for degree programs is merit base alone. As someone who has read The Gates Unbarred this is my view. As such, they are always looking to the future and want to be a part of developing it. Of course not!!
HC students are undergraduate students fresh out of High School and, while extremely intelligent, many are still lacking the wisdom which comes with living life. Yes, I believe so. Liberal Arts degrees are designed to reflect diversity by giving many expanded options for building your degree plan. Simple as that. I agree with you that HES is sort of like a charity program. It was established as a kind of Boston area outreach program to provide higher education to those who had obligations that kept them away from traditional schools.
In addition to that, HES acts as a kind of employee-incentive program. Excellent addition, Junko. Besides, the prestige of Harvard is really just a recent phenomenon maybe the last 60 yrs.? Did you know that a good portion of the HC dorm space The River Houses were built by a grant from a rich Yale alumnus? Exams are the same or harder for the remaining classes.
Generally, there are more exams at HES due to specialized classes. The ALM is a continuing education program for older students. The age group is Not This means that you can expect to get a lead into another company when you graduate. You are not paid K, but K. HKS grads find it harder to get jobs. The university is trying to sell students a second degree once they graduate. Graduates receive a Master in Liberal Arts.
The university is trying to cash it. That is what this is all about. When you employ a HES grad, you get amature student that has all thebenefits of a Harvard education. Visited classes, completed written exams and is able to get in touch with other Harvard grads. Agree, I think what really chaps people are the undergrads who are supposedly borrowing the exceptional reputation of Harvard College. It is just petty and ridiculous.
No one is forcing Harvard to have a Cont Ed school, but, if they are going to have one a very rigorous one at that, see thesis , they should accord the graduates full Harvard status. What Harvard is doing is totally out of the norm for elite schools.
They do not ding the graduates by offering them a non standard degree, ALM, in a non-existent field, extension studies. I am looking into getting a second masters degree. Either embrace HES or get rid of it, but pick one. Sam, I think this is a great point. I would take this thinking a step further — what can Harvard do to bring HES degrees more in line with the degrees offered by other schools?
But can it be done for HES undergraduate degrees ALB or liberal arts graduate degrees in social sciences, physical sciences, computer science, and other fields? What would it take to better align the curriculums?
I think the best approach is the obvious approach: Give the graduates a regular degree from the regular school. Just offer the degrees through the regular channels at night. Harvard can tighten the admissions standards for these degrees, although there seem to only be a few hundred people actually graduating from HES anyway so not much of an issue.
HES is just an odd initiative for Harvard. It appears that Harvard is being pulled in two directions. The result is this compromised school called HES. HES grads are going to be having conversations like the one on this blog for the rest of their lives. It is also odd that the choice seems to be that HES is either fully Harvard, as good as the College or the medical school, or a total fraud. The whole thing just makes Harvard look bad regardless of which way you look at it.
Many from HKS are living in D. HES is unique specifically for its structure and its original mission. Is it pseudo-Harvard? Harvard is giving you permission to completely change your field of study, not a minor change, just so long as you blackball yourself somewhere on your resume. Wow, does Harvard allow other grads to acceptably take their pick on a field of study?
It does not correspond to any real […]. After reading these comments, I am now debating whether HES will be an expensive burden on my resume. I have little doubt of the quality of the HES degree or the students enrolled, but have now been slightly introduced to the stigma and ignorance of others towards HES grads.
It seems to be the norm of ideas of the general public or those with knowledge of the school. Now in my last month of a traditional B. We all take different paths in life and no one should belittle anyone else because it is different than yours. I have worked AND interned continuously through my B. In the future, we must all work to remove this stigma in the public eye and help many recognize that when you get a graduate from HES, you not only get a quality education but also an experienced individual.
The school, of all parties, should be promoting this instead of worrying about what they put on their resume and hardly acknowledging HES grads. This is what annoys people. When people find out that you did not go through the admissions gauntlet and people will look into it if you drop the H-bomb , they are going to think you are a poseur if you just write Harvard University with no mention of Extension. If you had just said I went to Harvard Extension School and explained what you just wrote, they would think it is impressive and an achievement.
Algorithms now filter 10, resumes or web-forms for 1 job postition based on keywords. However, I think I have a solution at least for graduate students which could possibly satisfy both sides. This solution has to do with the way in which Harvard uses Latin on their graduate diplomas.
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